RFID Scoring

John250

PR Founding Father
So COCR uses a RFID scoring system. Sticker under my visor. Looks to have some sort of readers at the finish line above your head. Sticker is good for the season. Free of charge. So it must not be a super expensive system.

My question, if this works, why do more tracks not use it? Also, for larger races, why bother with transponders when this system is Free to use for riders?

Maybe ron505 has some insight into the whole system and cost.

20190602_145909.jpg
20190602_163952.jpg
 
A guy posted up on vital about getting good results with it. The stickers are a couple bucks each. I think the electronics part of it were a couple grand up front cost. It has been talked about before, I believe people say it can miss riders, but maybe they have improved. I asked the guy to post from vital to here, was a big ask. Maybe I can find the thread there and tag it here.
 
#1 reason I don’t use it is because it doesn’t work with trackside software. We have to run a duplicate race and do everything twice. If the rfids would integrate into trackside, this would be a no brainer
 
A guy posted up on vital about getting good results with it. The stickers are a couple bucks each. I think the electronics part of it were a couple grand up front cost. It has been talked about before, I believe people say it can miss riders, but maybe they have improved. I asked the guy to post from vital to here, was a big ask. Maybe I can find the thread there and tag it here.
It’s about 3-4K pending how many readers you need based on finish line width, I’m sure it Varys from brand to brand
 
#1 reason I don’t use it is because it doesn’t work with trackside software. We have to run a duplicate race and do everything twice. If the rfids would integrate into trackside, this would be a no brainer
Don't you know some programmers you could pay to make them integrate? Chuck Day? He probably know some people. Then again, I am sure that the trackside software has some sort of licensing deal set up with MyLaps and selling the subscriptions for transponders, etc.
 
Don't you know some programmers you could pay to make them integrate? Chuck Day? He probably know some people. Then again, I am sure that the trackside software has some sort of licensing deal set up with MyLaps and selling the subscriptions for transponders, etc.
John Dains (trackside) either works for Mylaps as a consultant, or he is in a very close working relationship. He is definitely not going to make that happen, but if someone else were to make it happen, we would run it.
 
This is a copy of the post from vital:


EnduroPromotions wrote:

I have been running MotoTally software with Alien F800's which can handle 4 Antennas. While you need to have antennas overhead and transponders on the helmet of the rider it does work not bad.
RFID is RFID, and you can use ANY software system available with it.
it is possible to use horizontal scanners not vertical.

As with any scoring you HAVE to have people writing backups for the event. Even if readers are doing over 1,000 Scans Per Second. Not to mention you can have Multiple tags on anyone rider/bike that are associated with the rider. They Cost only $5 and last over 2-3 years. Tags are bought and gone away. No worrying of breaking, losing, charging, etc. No loaner tags being messed up or missing.

Not to mention no ground cable that will ever be messed up from being trenched up or with the track machines working the finish line.

We have developed our own systems to have Wireless networks on site that anyone can connect to with their phone that has live scoring results from current moto going as well as previous races from year and day. Complete with advertising and event info.

MYLAPS does have a nice database system however their fees are ridiculous and proprietary hardware and software is just ridiculous for the many racers who just want to see their lap times and nothing more.
 
So there is equipment that is efficient and cheaper for the riders and tracks.......but the monopoly of the system, keeps MyLaps and Trackside in business.
 
Results were screwy yesterday. Some of the first motos had time posted, some didn't. Someone brought up that the scanners had mud on them (which you you can see in the pic) which probably causes issues with with scanning riders.
 
Western Reserve has been using them for 2-3 seasons now. From what I recall, the only thing that messed with the tags were metal, like if you had them near something metal. I don't think that amount of much shown on those readers should screw it up, I think they need to be submerged in mud. But again, these are just things Ive heard. The question in my mind is what if you have one those magnetic visors? Will the magnets mess it up, and/or what if you lose the visor during the race, ha ha, I think I know the answer there, but funny nonetheless.
 
Western Reserve has been using them for 2-3 seasons now. From what I recall, the only thing that messed with the tags were metal, like if you had them near something metal. I don't think that amount of much shown on those readers should screw it up, I think they need to be submerged in mud. But again, these are just things Ive heard. The question in my mind is what if you have one those magnetic visors? Will the magnets mess it up, and/or what if you lose the visor during the race, ha ha, I think I know the answer there, but funny nonetheless.
It's funny you bring up the magnetic visor, one of the guys that had screwy results has a Fox helmet with that setup.
 
WRMC purchased their system for RFID tags approximately 7 years ago. They have a combined use for MX, Harescramble and flat track races. It uses Motosponder software, and as already been stated here, is not compatible with the MyLaps software. I believe the total cost of the entire system was somewhere in the neighborhood of $10-12K. There are a number of members who work at a local label business and can get the RF tags dirt cheap as well.

Mud will not have any affect on reading the tags, but issues are with particular type of helmets (carbon fiber, reflective material, etc.). The software is not updated as often as a mainline product such as MyLaps, and is a bit cumbersome to use, and a bit outdated.

With MX races, it is easy to use, with only a couple of readers set up at the finish line. You have to "build" a race order in the software, and then it will also tell you if any riders are in back-to-back motos so you can rearrange that. Since it is not compatible with MyLaps, Connie then would have to build her own race order in MyLaps in order to do the scoring and print out results. It is possible to do the same thing with the Motosponder software, but takes longer and is not as pretty looking. Nowadays with Connie bringing the OMA's kiosks with her, it is much easier to just use that system and handscore. WRMC has just been using the MyLaps for MX the last couple of seasons, and not setting up the RF system.

It is quite beneficial to use the Motosponder system with flat track races because you have multiple riders crossing the finish line within microseconds of one another. This takes out all of the guesswork with scoring. Problem is, even using four readers, every once in a while it misses a rider or two. Someone sitting at the computer can hand-punch that rider going by the reader, if they are paying attention. With flat track it gets a bit nerve racking to keep paying attention every lap of every race just in case that happens.

It is also beneficial with hare scrambles because you can look at lap times and determine if someone if cutting the course (not that anyone would ever do that).

The system is a thing of beauty when it all works correctly. Laps times are available, and can even be output to a monitor to view, or read it on your phone. With WRMC, like most clubs, only a small handful of members are familiar enough with it to set it up for each race. If that person is on vacation, or unable to attend the event, it can't be set up. With WRMC's system, it can't be permanent, because it constantly has to be moved for different types of events.
 
Back
Top