My Proposal for OMA Classes

[John250]

Amen jo. My parents have promoted enough events, BMX, MX, Flat track, Hillclimb since 1967 that I know one thing for sure.........YOU WILL NEVER EVER PLEASE EVERYONE. And sometimes to make yourself feel good, you just hand them their money back, say your allowed to go home now.......quit complaining.

 

[MxFreedom33]

Pro Bike
Open A
Open B
Open C
85 Sr.
85 Jr.
Mini Jr / Women
Mini Sr
Schoolboy / Collegeboy
50 oil injected
50 Jr
50 Sr
ATV Open
ATV B/C
ATV Mini

Make for a nice short day.

 

[MalvernMX]

Omg. Not another class. That is the last thing we need. I have a question. does anyone know of anyone ever starting racing in the C class and staying with it all the way to A? All A riders that I have known started in minis and worked there way up.
So you lose interest if you run 17th of 25 in the B class. but not if you run 3rd in the C class in your 4th year? really?

Actually I did. Got my first bike when I was 18, raced C class for one and a half years. Moved to B class for one and a half years then raced A class for about 8 years. Took about a decade long break from the race scene, now my sons interest in racing has me back at it full bore and then some.

 

[Spilldawg444]

Supply and demand. There are a lot of races left this year to build the data. Numbers will tell the story, buy a membership and fill a gate. Fair and simple.

 

[kbrown22]

Don't forget the squad that costs $100+ per hour. KB

Ok, might as well start a new thread on what classes we should and should not keep for next year. So here goes. Over the years we continually have added and added more classes. Extra 85, Extra 65, Extra 50, collegeboy, 2 stroke, 65/85 Beginner......on and on. We used to survive at the races without all these classes. Some of us that have been around 25+ years remember the past, and have seen the changes, and not all for the best.

Below is a list of the classes and how many entries from Sunday that need to go. EVERYONE in these classes can run other classes. For example where did the trail classes ever come from? D11 never had these classes. Put them in the 65 class. Put them in the appropriate 50 class. 2 stroke......run it in whatever class your supposed to be in. Vet sport.......not needed with vet 30 and 40.

Eliminate the following classes
Extra 65 - 7
Sr. Trail - 2
2 Stroke - 12
65/85 Beginner - 7
Vet Sport - 10 (can ride C class)
ATV Schoolboy - 3
ATV Micro - 4
ATV Mini Jr - 3
ATV A - 3
ATV a/b - 5
ATV Mini Sr Prod - 3
ATV Women - 1
ATV Vet - 6
Jr. Trail - 2
Dash for Cash

Your affecting 68 entries, but I would argue that most of those 68 will find a home in another class. You will lose some of these but not all of them. But you are also going to be shorting the day for all your workers, and making a better product on the track, and saving money on awards.

Here is my list of the classes you should run. I have it down to 20 motos. 8 minute plus 1 lap, and your close to 10 minutes a moto. 3.33 hours to run. 3.5 hours. 1/2 hour prep in between motos (prep a little around track during motos). 3.5 hours for second motos. if you start at 10, your done around 6, and I don't think anyone would complain about that. No cutting motos, etc.

New Class structure:
Pro Bike
250 A
Open A
Open B
250 B
Open C (No tripling or doubling of jumps at promoters discretion as to which ones C should not be jumping)
250 C (No tripling or doubling of jumps at promoters discretion as to which ones C should not be jumping)
65
Mini Jr / Women
Mini Sr
Plus 25
Vet 30
Vet 40
Schoolboy / Collegeboy
50 oil injected
50 Jr
50 Sr
ATV Open
ATV B/C
ATV Mini

Any of these classes can then be combined if there are not that many entries. This eliminates 14 gate drops from Sundays program, which translates into quite a bit of time, and I dont think affects too many people, there are still classes for them to ride in, just different classes. If someone wants to know where they would be, let me know the class, and I will tell you where I would put you.

And Chris, this is about as perfect as it gets.

 

[John250]

Heck, the OMA does not have that many classes.........The Florida Winter AM Series has 40 classes! And they do not even have Quads. I got interested and thought I would look at the class structure of some other successful state series races.

Class Layout

Race Day(s) 2013 FLORIDA WINTER AM
Saturday & Sunday 50cc 4-6 0-51cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 50cc 7-8 0-51cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 50cc 0PEN 4-8 0-51cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 65cc 7-9 59-65cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 65cc 10-11 59-65cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 65cc OPEN 7-11 59-65cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 65cc BEGINNER 59-65cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 85cc 9-11 79-85cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 85cc 12-13 79-85cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 85cc 12-15 79-85cc 2-Stroke/75-150cc 4-Stroke;Max.Wheels: Front 17″, Rear 16″
Saturday & Sunday 85cc JR MINI 9-13 79-85cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 85cc Beginner 79-85cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday SUPERMINI 1 12-15 79-112cc 2-Stroke/75-150cc 4-Stroke;Max.Wheels: Front 19″, Rear 16″
Saturday & Sunday SUPERMINI 2 13-16 79-112cc 2-Stroke/75-150cc 4-Stroke;Max.Wheels: Front 19″, Rear 16″
Saturday & Sunday YOUTH 12-16 79-125cc 2-Stroke/75-150cc 4-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday SCHOOLBOY 14-16 100-150cc 2 Stroke/126-250cc 4-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday 250 D 122-250cc
Saturday & Sunday 250 C 122-250cc
Saturday & Sunday 250 B 122-250cc
Saturday & Sunday 250 OPEN ALL(NO A OR PRO) 122-250cc
Saturday & Sunday 450 D 122-Open cc
Saturday & Sunday 450 C 122-Open cc
Saturday & Sunday 450 B 122-Open cc
Saturday & Sunday 450 ALL (NO A OR PRO) 122-Open cc
Saturday & Sunday 16-24 122-Open cc
Saturday & Sunday WOMEN 122-250cc
Saturday & Sunday Girls 9-11 79-85cc 2-Stroke
Saturday & Sunday Girls 12-15 79-112cc 2-Stroke/75-150cc 4-Stroke Max Wheel Front 19″ Rear 16″
Saturday & Sunday FOURSTROKE 122-Open cc
Saturday Only 250 A (100% payback) 122-250cc
Saturday Only 450 A (100% payback) 122-Open cc
Saturday Only VET OPEN 122-Open cc
Sunday Only 250 PRO (Pro Purse $1,250) 122-250cc
Sunday Only 450 PRO (Pro Purse $1,250) 122-Open cc
Saturday Only PLUS 25 122-Open cc
Sunday Only PLUS 30 122-Open cc
Sunday Only PLUS 35 122-Open cc
Sunday Only PLUS 40 122-Open cc
Sunday Only PLUS 45 122-Open cc
Sunday Only PLUS 50 122-Open cc

 

[John250]

The CMC Golden State Series.........45 classes!! I would love to know how these series run all their classes? Track time, laps? Timed motos? How many classes are combined. Guess I need to start looking at some results to see how many riders they get.


Race Classes


2013 CMC MOTOCROSS CLASSES

California; Southern & Northern – Arizona – Nevada – Oregon – Washington


PEE WEE BEGINNER (1 year or less experience on any size bike) 450F BEGINNER (1 year or less experience on any size bike)
PEE WEE 4-6 450F JUNIOR
PEE WEE 7-8 450F INTERMEDIATE
PEE WEE OPEN (NO Beginners) Up to age 8 450F PROFESSIONAL (money class)
65CC BEGINNER (1 year or less experience on any size bike) 450F OPEN (No Pros or Begs/Any age)
65CC 4-8 4-STROKE AMATEUR (No Pros or Begs/Any age)
65CC 9-11 BTH 17-24 YRS. (No 125′S or BEG’S)
65CC OPEN (No Beginners)
85CC/150CC BEGINNER (1 year or less experience on any size bike) 25+ AMATEUR (Beginners/Juniors)
85CC/150CC THRU 11 25+ MASTER (Intermediates/Master)
85CC/150CC 12-13 25+ PROS (money class)
85CC/150CC 14-16 30+ BEGINNER (VET) (1 year or less experience on any size bike)
112CC SUPERMINI (No Beginners) 150cc bikes with Big Wheels to this class. 30+ JUNIOR (VET)
85CC/150CC OPEN (No Beginners) 30+ INTERMEDIATE (VET)
30+ MASTER (VET)
125/250F SCHOOLBOY THRU 16 (No Beginners or Pros) 30+ PRO (money class)
250F OPEN (No Pros or Begs Any age) 40+ AMATEUR (OT) (Beginners/Juniors)
250F BEGINNER (1 year or less experience on any size bike) 40+ INTERMEDIATE (OT)
250F JUNIOR 40+ MASTER (OT)
250F INTERMEDIATE 50+ CLASS (SENIOR)
250F PROFESSIONAL (money class)

NEW WOMEN CLASSES: BEGINNER, AMATEUR, EXPERT & PROFESSIONAL
Beginner Open (any big bike) (1 year or less experience on any size bike) 25+ THROUGH 50+ ANY SIZE BIKE CAN BE RUN IN THOSE CLASSES INCLUDING THE WOMEN’S CLASS TOO
ATV-4 AMATEUR
ATV-4 PROFESSIONAL
125 2-Stroke Only 250 2-Stroke Only

 

[Original44]

Ok, might as well start a new thread on what classes we should and should not keep for next year. So here goes. Over the years we continually have added and added more classes. Extra 85, Extra 65, Extra 50, collegeboy, 2 stroke, 65/85 Beginner......on and on. We used to survive at the races without all these classes. Some of us that have been around 25+ years remember the past, and have seen the changes, and not all for the best.

Below is a list of the classes and how many entries from Sunday that need to go. EVERYONE in these classes can run other classes. For example where did the trail classes ever come from? D11 never had these classes. Put them in the 65 class. Put them in the appropriate 50 class. 2 stroke......run it in whatever class your supposed to be in. Vet sport.......not needed with vet 30 and 40.

Eliminate the following classes
Extra 65 - 7
Sr. Trail - 2
2 Stroke - 12
65/85 Beginner - 7
Vet Sport - 10 (can ride C class)
ATV Schoolboy - 3
ATV Micro - 4
ATV Mini Jr - 3
ATV A - 3
ATV a/b - 5
ATV Mini Sr Prod - 3
ATV Women - 1
ATV Vet - 6
Jr. Trail - 2
Dash for Cash

Your affecting 68 entries, but I would argue that most of those 68 will find a home in another class. You will lose some of these but not all of them. But you are also going to be shorting the day for all your workers, and making a better product on the track, and saving money on awards.

Here is my list of the classes you should run. I have it down to 20 motos. 8 minute plus 1 lap, and your close to 10 minutes a moto. 3.33 hours to run. 3.5 hours. 1/2 hour prep in between motos (prep a little around track during motos). 3.5 hours for second motos. if you start at 10, your done around 6, and I don't think anyone would complain about that. No cutting motos, etc.

New Class structure:
Pro Bike
250 A
Open A
Open B
250 B
Open C (No tripling or doubling of jumps at promoters discretion as to which ones C should not be jumping)
250 C (No tripling or doubling of jumps at promoters discretion as to which ones C should not be jumping)
65
Mini Jr / Women
Mini Sr
Plus 25
Vet 30
Vet 40
Schoolboy / Collegeboy
50 oil injected
50 Jr
50 Sr
ATV Open
ATV B/C
ATV Mini

Any of these classes can then be combined if there are not that many entries. This eliminates 14 gate drops from Sundays program, which translates into quite a bit of time, and I dont think affects too many people, there are still classes for them to ride in, just different classes. If someone wants to know where they would be, let me know the class, and I will tell you where I would put you.

And Chris, this is about as perfect as it gets.

I like it! But, I would add SuperMini.

 

[Berkheimer#19]

And 2 stroke only.

 

[John250]

When I was a kid, you rode Mini Sr. then moved to schoolboy. So in my opinion, no need for Super Mini and Schoolboy..........those are the same class.

Berkherimer, you can ride your 2 stroke in B class, C class, schoolboy, or collegeboy. So why would we need a separate 2 stroke only class?

We are trying to limit numbers of classes, and everyone keeps saying......yeah but add this class or that class. If you want one added..........which one would go??

 

[Berkheimer#19]

When I was a kid, you rode Mini Sr. then moved to schoolboy. So in my opinion, no need for Super Mini and Schoolboy..........those are the same class.

Berkherimer, you can ride your 2 stroke in B class, C class, schoolboy, or collegeboy. So why would we need a separate 2 stroke only class?

We are trying to limit numbers of classes, and everyone keeps saying......yeah but add this class or that class. If you want one added..........which one would go??

Well I wouldn't drop back to C class for one, 2nd Im little old for school/Collegeboy, and yes I do have +25,openB/250B I can which often have done in the past, but racing nothing but two strokes is a lot of fun and sure anyone who races the class would agree having nothing but smokers on the track makes it a lot of fun, and my two cents in why not just do the Loretta's running order with quads on a different day. Dont matter to me just my opinion.

 

[ck1racerx]

Every gate drop they can have 40 diff classes. That way everyone wins a plastic doodad and we get to ride with full gates. Lets just eliminate all classes, when you sign up u get a trophy. everyone is a winner. It can be just like T-ball or grass fairy soccer. Tracks save money since they don't need scorers. You just go out, do a few laps, drink some Gatorade, ride a few more laps, then go home... Now, where have I seen that before??? Oh yeah, its called practice.
Since I have not bought myself a bike in a decade and Im not a member, I guess I will just keep my lip shut.

Just to be clear... This is sarcasm...

 

[Scoob]

Supply and demand. There are a lot of races left this year to build the data. Numbers will tell the story, buy a membership and fill a gate. Fair and simple.

I agree! Although some of these comments are comical. And to the last comment, I would like to see the KOC idea come into play someday. Are we actually going to have a KOC race this year JO? I am thinking I saw it on the schedule, but can't remember and don't feel like looking right now. A major problem with any A/B/C or slow/faster/fastest program is sandbaggers (a.k.a. cheaters). 'Tis life. See you at the races...

 

[Original44]

When I was a kid, you rode Mini Sr. then moved to schoolboy. So in my opinion, no need for Super Mini and Schoolboy..........those are the same class.

Berkherimer, you can ride your 2 stroke in B class, C class, schoolboy, or collegeboy. So why would we need a separate 2 stroke only class?

We are trying to limit numbers of classes, and everyone keeps saying......yeah but add this class or that class. If you want one added..........which one would go??

John, supermini wouldn't be adding one more class, it would just be keep it. The supermini class is basically what the 100 class was back in the day. Supermini is always one of the biggest classes of the day. Look at the results from Chillitown there was 24 superminis. With the way my son is growing, he will be on a supermini next year. That means he will be running the bigger wheels. What class do you suggest him to race in? I'm not putting him in the schoolboy class against kids on 250f. Remember your son will be there quicker than you know it.

 

[Mosher]

Vet Sport so far has had 70 entries...do the math and it's better than zero. At CTMX BFO it had more entries than 16 (of 34) other classes.

I want a 50+ class anyhow.

BTW John259...I told the Lyon's you all said hello!

 

[Kovatch]

Ok, might as well start a new thread on what classes we should and should not keep for next year. So here goes. Over the years we continually have added and added more classes. Extra 85, Extra 65, Extra 50, collegeboy, 2 stroke, 65/85 Beginner......on and on. We used to survive at the races without all these classes. Some of us that have been around 25+ years remember the past, and have seen the changes, and not all for the best.

Below is a list of the classes and how many entries from Sunday that need to go. EVERYONE in these classes can run other classes. For example where did the trail classes ever come from? D11 never had these classes. Put them in the 65 class. Put them in the appropriate 50 class. 2 stroke......run it in whatever class your supposed to be in. Vet sport.......not needed with vet 30 and 40.

Eliminate the following classes
Extra 65 - 7
Sr. Trail - 2
2 Stroke - 12
65/85 Beginner - 7
Vet Sport - 10 (can ride C class)
ATV Schoolboy - 3
ATV Micro - 4
ATV Mini Jr - 3
ATV A - 3
ATV a/b - 5
ATV Mini Sr Prod - 3
ATV Women - 1
ATV Vet - 6
Jr. Trail - 2
Dash for Cash

Your affecting 68 entries, but I would argue that most of those 68 will find a home in another class. You will lose some of these but not all of them. But you are also going to be shorting the day for all your workers, and making a better product on the track, and saving money on awards.

Here is my list of the classes you should run. I have it down to 20 motos. 8 minute plus 1 lap, and your close to 10 minutes a moto. 3.33 hours to run. 3.5 hours. 1/2 hour prep in between motos (prep a little around track during motos). 3.5 hours for second motos. if you start at 10, your done around 6, and I don't think anyone would complain about that. No cutting motos, etc.

New Class structure:
Pro Bike
250 A
Open A
Open B
250 B
Open C (No tripling or doubling of jumps at promoters discretion as to which ones C should not be jumping)
250 C (No tripling or doubling of jumps at promoters discretion as to which ones C should not be jumping)
65
Mini Jr / Women
Mini Sr
Plus 25
Vet 30
Vet 40
Schoolboy / Collegeboy
50 oil injected
50 Jr
50 Sr
ATV Open
ATV B/C
ATV Mini

Any of these classes can then be combined if there are not that many entries. This eliminates 14 gate drops from Sundays program, which translates into quite a bit of time, and I dont think affects too many people, there are still classes for them to ride in, just different classes. If someone wants to know where they would be, let me know the class, and I will tell you where I would put you.

And Chris, this is about as perfect as it gets.

I'll add comments towards the quads because I know they are so well received at all tracks. If you want to attract some people you want to make sure you can run another class. Bike: 250A could run open A also. Quads, you have 1 choice: B/C or Open. If it were as follows you could allow those who so choose to run a second moto:

ATV A/B
ATV C
ATV Open - This allows anyone to run anything or as a 2nd moto, no age descrimination here either.

The minis are just as a pain as the bikes: 50s, 70s, 90s, shifter, auto, mods, beginner, jr, sr, whatever. 50 beginner is like watching a horse start to walk... takes forever. But the youth is the life blood of the sport... It may not seem like a lot but a 50 and 90 are the farthest from being close in a race. It would be too unsafe to have 1 mini group. 90 mods at the Nats are hitting jumps better than many 450B class riders. Some how you would have to split them up. Whether it is different classes and staggered starts or something different but you just can't run 50s & 90s together. UNLESS the track has a separate mini track...

Just my thoughts. Bash away.

 

[ODI256]

I remember when I was in C class at scenic back in '05 and I hit both triples, but had the corner speed of a kid on a pw50. Some kids dad tried to get my disqualified bc I hit the jumps an claimed I wasn't a C rider, point is if you have the balls to bust out a jump doesn't mean you're fast enough for B class. Let it be. And don't get rid of two stroke, because let's just face it it brings in entries and I'd fun as hell!

 

[Original44]

My son raced at Red Bud 2 weeks ago. They did practice on Thursday all day. Then ran amateur racing on Friday on the national track and then raced Friday night on there supercross track. Saturday they held the Pro Nationals and raced amateur again on there night track. Sunday they raced amateur again on there national track. They started at 8:00 AM .Red Bud gave them 3 lap practice and if you signed up for a second class you got another 3 lap practice. They ran 4 lap motos all day, both day. Here is a list of the classes and race order. They were done by 5:00 PM.

Race Order
Show Racers
Race Class Laps Racers
1. 35 Plus 19
60 Plus 2
Schoolboy 1 19

2. Open A 19
Open B 38

3. 65 (7-11) 6
65 (7-9) 31
Women Jr. 5

4. 30 Plus 10
50 Plus 23

5. 25 Plus 31
40 Plus 12
Schoolboy 2 14

6. 40 Plus B/C 22
Women Sr. 12

7. 85 C 21
85 Jr. 20

8. 125 B/C 28
45 Plus 25

9. Open D 21
VetSport (Vet C) 27

10. 85 Sr. 19
Mini Open 13

11. 250 C 40

12. 250 C - Consi 1 50

13. 250 B 40

14. 85 9-13 13

SuperMini 24

15. 30 Plus B/C 17
NonCurrent 6
Open C 36

16. 14-24 17
250 A 18

19. 250 B - Consi 1 14

 

[JB_519]

My thoughts.....( yes I'm a quad rider) , 2 stroke class is sweet , keep it . Atv vet , and atv schoolboy as well. Stagger us , do whatever. Im also a fan of keeping us all on the same day, I know if going to a larger event it will be a long day , but as stated on a different thread us quad guys like the " big race feel " as well . Thanks to the Oma for what I feel so far has been a great first year .

 

[ck1racerx]

Mc the king of supercross started in the c class, he still holds the most supercross wins of all time. If anyone on here remembers racing at malvern in late 90 early 2000s you know what a huge turn out they would get. The 125c class would have 2 sometimes 3 classes of at least 20 riders. The woodsman quad class would also have a few groups. It would take all night, but it seemed the battle of ohio lasted just as long with less riders. The reason is track prep takes so long. Jason preps the track so much because he wants a great track. Back in the day they would prep maybe three times and that's it. The track is wayyyy better now but it takes a little longer. I hate waiting all day more than anyone,but its worth the wait.

Mcgrath started in the schoolboy class at like 15 or 16. I am talking about a guy 18 and up. Im not saying it doesn't happen, I just don't know anyone...