IronMan LL Regional 5-31/6-1 2014

[Double D]

Ill be rolling out with Dave Bernard and smith Thursday!

I did nt know you were coming.... Are you in the +25 or just coming to hang?
It will be fun either way.

 

[hershey]

Lol... He's out I think...... It was +25.

 

[bruceb]

Entry list is now posted:
http://www.mxsports.com/articles/2236_mid-east-southwest-regional-entry-lists-#mearegional

bruce

 

[Vet261]

Sharc must have some good pain killers going because he sent me a text wishing me good luck at ironman. Lol

 

[Double D]

1. ABRAHAM S PORTER KALAMAZOO, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 417
2. ADAM M ALEXANDER HOWARD CITY, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 411
3. ADAM NEU WAPAKONETA, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ KTM 548
4. ANDREW L SMITH GREENFIELD, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 43
5. ANDY NILES DELAWARE, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 255
6. BILLY D THOMAS WHITWELL, TN 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 814
7. BRAD CASSADA SCIENCE HILL, KY 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 51
8. BRIAN BONHAM KNIGHTSTOWN, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 109
9. BRIAN MC CANN MANDEVILLE, LA 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 43
10. BRIAN SHUKITIS LAPORTE, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 54
11. BROCK KRAHENBUHL HENDERSON, NV 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 46
12. BRYAN M WAGNER LAWRENCEBURG, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 32
13. CHRIS A HARVEY SPRINGFIELD, TN 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 830
14. CHRIS THOMAS ASHVILLE, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 113
15. CHRISTOPHER MARKS COOPERSVILLE, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 809
16. CHRISTOPHER L OPLIGER FREDERICKSBURG, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ KTM 97
17. CHUCK R WHITLOCK UNION, KY 14. Vet B/C 30+ KTM 65
18. COLLIN BEVERLY GROVEPORT, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 49
19. CORY ROBINSON MILTON, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 360
20. DANA MILLER MONTICELLO, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 78
21. DONALD S SANDERS SPRING CITY, TN 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 141
22. ERIC MCCANN CHARLES CITY, IA 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 517
23. ERIK HAUTAMAKI NORTHPORT, AL 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 797
24. GIOVANNI SPINALI EL CAJON, CA 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 66
25. GRAHAM PITCOCK DUBLIN, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 346
26. GREG CODA II SOUTH BEND, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 11
27. GREG KEAGLE DELTON, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 831
28. HEATH DAVIS GADSDEN, TN 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 20
29. HENDRIK J ALBERTS JR SPRING HILL, TN 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 2
30. JASON STAPLES EVANSVILLE, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 517/
31. JD EICHER COLUMBUS, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 80
32. JEFF SENSKE DELTON, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 18
33. JIMMY O'NEAL SIMI VALLEY, CA 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 66
34. JOE SPEARS CINCINATTI, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 127
35. JOEY CIROCCO SIMI VALLEY, CA 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 154
36. JOHN DIXON EVANSVILLE, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 15/
37. JUSTIN R KELLEY PARSONS, TN 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 25
38. KEITH BOWEN RUSSIAVILLE, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM x
39. KENNETH E BOWERS GRAND BLANC, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ KTM 607
40. KURT KROPP SCHERERVILLE, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ KTM 641
41. LEVI CAIN LV, NV 14. Vet B/C 30+ KTM 19
42. MARK K BRADLEY MOUNT MORRIS, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 15
43. MATT LASCO FENTON, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 915
44. MICHAEL JONES CINCINATTI, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 123
45. MICHAEL BAKER SCOTTSDALE, AZ 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 85S
46. MIKE J MORRONE HOWELL, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 444
47. MIKE SCHAEFER LAKEVIEW, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ KTM 296
48. MIKE MILLER Springfield, OR 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 81
49. NATE R RAMSDEN MESA, AZ 14. Vet B/C 30+ KTM 207
50. NICK A COOKE CINCINNATI, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 513
51. NICK A SPAULDING CINCINNATI, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 77
52. NICK SAUSSY HAIKU, HI 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 17
53. PATRICK JOHNSON JR BERLIN HTS, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 247
54. RICHARD A SILVERS DOYLESTOWN, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 24
55. RICK MAPES CINCINNATI, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 31
56. ROB PEASE DRYDEN, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 489
57. ROBERT NEWMAN COPPERHILL, TN 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 30
58. ROBIN MCCLAIN LAGRANGE, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ HSB 163
59. RODNEY ROBERTS CONNERSVILLE, IN 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 53
60. ROLAND J GOMEZ JR PALOS HEIGHTS, IL 14. Vet B/C 30+ KTM 161
61. SCOTT LINDLEY SAN MARCOS, CA 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 99
62. SHANE HERRIMAN DAVISON, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 782
63. SHAWN CHAMLEE WAHIAWA, HI 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 747
64. TERRY BOXX SHARON, TN 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 620
65. THOMAS A WOLF FRANKLIN, WI 14. Vet B/C 30+ HON 25
66. TODD N SINCLAIR BRUNSWICK, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 10
67. TOMMY BONER CINCINNATI, OH 14. Vet B/C 30+ SUZ 63
68. TRAVIS L HERRIMAN DAVISON, MI 14. Vet B/C 30+ YAM 945
69. WILLIAM WRIGHT HERMITAGE, TN 14. Vet B/C 30+ KAW 267

 

[Double D]

1. ANDREWPBOURNGRAND RAPIDS, MI16. Senior 40+KAW59
2. ANDYKOOISTRACHICAGO, IL16. Senior 40+HON35
3. BILLVIVIANOSAINT PETERS, MO16. Senior 40+HON121
4. BILLYDTHOMASWHITWELL, TN16. Senior 40+YAM814
5. BRADCASSADASCIENCE HILL, KY16. Senior 40+KAW51
6. BRUCEMCDONALDONTARIO, CA16. Senior 40+YAM11
7. CHADDSCHARLOWNEW ALBANY, IN16. Senior 40+SUZ585
8. CHRISRADZINSKISIMI VALLEY, CA16. Senior 40+KAW104
9. CHRISTOPHERMARKSCOOPERSVILLE, MI16. Senior 40+HON809
10. CHRISTOPHERLOPLIGERFREDERICKSBURG, OH16. Senior 40+KTM97
11. DANNYPALADINOMURRIETA, CA16. Senior 40+KAW23
12. DAVIDMGREGASTRONGSVILLE, OH16. Senior 40+KTM5/
13. DAVIDAJONESCLEVELAND, OH16. Senior 40+KAW345
14. DENNISJTIPPMAN JRFORT WAYNE, IN16. Senior 40+HON711
15. DONALDSSANDERSSPRING CITY, TN16. Senior 40+HON141
16. ERICMHORCHERPALATINE, IL16. Senior 40+YAM415
17. ERICHUFFINE1000 OAKS, CA16. Senior 40+SUZ518
18. GARYSTUARTBRENTWOOD, TN16. Senior 40+KAW9
19. GREGKEAGLEDELTON, MI16. Senior 40+HON831
20. HOWARDRJABAAYCRETE, IL16. Senior 40+KAW216
21. JACKLAMBERTLEES SUMMIT, MO16. Senior 40+YAM53
22. JACKIEPUNTNEYEVANSVILLE, IN16. Senior 40+SUZ101
23. JASONRSHOUPWHITE PIGEON, MI16. Senior 40+HON/
24. JASONLAMBRECHTBOZEMAN, MT16. Senior 40+KAW655
25. JAYAWAGNERWARSAW, IN16. Senior 40+KTM580
26. JEFFFLORAMASON, OH16. Senior 40+HON10
27. JEFFGAUGERHARRISON, TN16. Senior 40+HON903
28. JEFFEMIGRIVERSIDE, CA16. Senior 40+KAW47
29. JEFFREYMOORELAFAYETTE, IN16. Senior 40+KAW72
30. JEFFREYPAPEPARIS, OH16. Senior 40+SUZ718
31. JERRYBLAIRSPRINGFIELD, OH16. Senior 40+SUZ532/
32. JERRYACHAMBERLAINGREENWOOD, AR16. Senior 40+YAM913
33. JIMWAZNYMERRILL, MI16. Senior 40+KAW767
34. JOESUBART JRVALPARAISO, IN16. Senior 40+HON759
35. JOELMCDONALDUXBRIDGE ONTARIO, CA16. Senior 40+KAW34
36. JOHNDIXONEVANSVILLE, IN16. Senior 40+KAW5
37. JOHNEGREWEROCKFORD, MI16. Senior 40+KAW70
38. JONAGINZANESVILLE, OH16. Senior 40+KAW26
39. JUSTINSTORYMARYSVILLE, OH16. Senior 40+KTM653
40. KEVINCOZADDATTALLA, AL16. Senior 40+KTM48
41. MARKAGUYBOWLING GREEN, KY16. Senior 40+YAM19
42. MATTHEWCROWNMETAMORA, MI16. Senior 40+HON45/
43. MICHAELBFAULKCONNERSVILLE, IN16. Senior 40+HON369
44. MICHAELJONESCINCINATTI, OH16. Senior 40+HON123
45. MICHAELBAKERSCOTTSDALE, AZ16. Senior 40+SUZ85S
46. MIKEPDUCLOSWHITEWATER, WI16. Senior 40+YAM23/
47. MIKESULLIVANTERRE HAUTE, IN16. Senior 40+SUZ464
48. MIKEMILLERSpringfield, OR16. Senior 40+HON81
49. QUINCYCARLISLEMIDLAND, TX16. Senior 40+YAM629
50. RICKMAPESCINCINNATI, OH16. Senior 40+HON31
51. ROBINMCCLAINLAGRANGE, OH16. Senior 40+HSB163
52. RODNEYCARRIERLEBANON JUNCTIO, KY16. Senior 40+HON6
53. RONMILESEAGLE, ID16. Senior 40+KAW31
54. STEPHENWALKERHALEIWA, HI16. Senior 40+YAM7
55. STEVEEDWARDSTHOUSAND OAKS, CA16. Senior 40+SUZ401
56. TERRYJOELLTALLAHASEE, FL16. Senior 40+KAW14

 

[Double D]

1. ANDREW P BOURN GRAND RAPIDS, MI 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 59
2. ANDY KOOISTRA CHICAGO, IL 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 35
3. BART A NEWMAN BATTLE CREEK, MI 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 13
4. BRIAN MC CANN MANDEVILLE, LA 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 43
5. BRUCE MCDONALD ONTARIO, CA 17-1. Senior 45+ YAM 11
6. CHARLES DAY HILLIARD, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ YAM 181
7. CHRIS RADZINSKI SIMI VALLEY, CA 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 104
8. CHUCK R WHITLOCK UNION, KY 17-1. Senior 45+ KTM 65
9. COREY L GERULIS MOUNT JULIET, TN 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 25
10. DARRIN HOETT CASTAIC, CA 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 36
11. DAVID BERNARD PARIS, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ HSB 153
12. DAVID M GREGA STRONGSVILLE, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ KTM 5/
13. DAVID A JONES CLEVELAND, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 345
14. DAVID KIRK OWENSBORO, KY 17-1. Senior 45+ KTM 991
15. ERIC HUFFINE 1000 OAKS, CA 17-1. Senior 45+ SUZ 518
16. GARY D BRUCE MACEDONIA, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 459
17. GARY STUART BRENTWOOD, TN 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 9
18. GIOVANNI SPINALI EL CAJON, CA 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 66
19. HOWARD R JABAAY CRETE, IL 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 216
20. JACK LAMBERT LEES SUMMIT, MO 17-1. Senior 45+ YAM 53
21. JACKIE PUNTNEY EVANSVILLE, IN 17-1. Senior 45+ SUZ 101
22. JEFF BITTLE LEBANON, TN 17-1. Senior 45+ YAM 202
23. JEFF FLORA MASON, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 10
24. JEFF GAUGER HARRISON, TN 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 903
25. JERRY H RAY LEOMA, TN 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 15
26. JOE SUBART JR VALPARAISO, IN 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 759
27. JOHN DIXON EVANSVILLE, IN 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 5
28. JOHN E GREWE ROCKFORD, MI 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 70
29. JOSEPH HERNANDEZ FRENCH VALLEY, CA 17-1. Senior 45+ KTM 767
30. KERRY WISDOM LAWRENCEBURG, TN 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 495
31. KIRK LORENCE GREEN CITY, MO 17-1. Senior 45+ YAM 2
32. KURT KROPP SCHERERVILLE, IN 17-1. Senior 45+ KTM 641
33. MARC BAUMANN HINCKLEY, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ SUZ 2
34. MARK A GUY BOWLING GREEN, KY 17-1. Senior 45+ YAM 19
35. MARK SHAFER WESTERVILLE, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ YAM 62
36. MATTHEW CROWN METAMORA, MI 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 45
37. MICHAEL CAREY WORTH, IL 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 29
38. MIKE SCHAEFER LAKEVIEW, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ KTM 296
39. MIKE MILLER Springfield, OR 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 81
40. RANDY HUTCHINGS CRESTWOOD, KY 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 33
41. RICK BARRETT CLARENDON, PA 17-1. Senior 45+ SUZ 278
42. ROB PEASE DRYDEN, MI 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 489
43. ROB THORNTON TILLSONBORG, ON 17-1. Senior 45+ SUZ 467
44. ROBIN MCCLAIN LAGRANGE, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ HSB 163
45. RODNEY CARRIER LEBANON JUNCTIO, KY 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 6
46. ROLAND J GOMEZ JR PALOS HEIGHTS, IL 17-1. Senior 45+ KTM 161
47. RON HEPPNER HASTINGS, MN 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 44
48. RON MILES EAGLE, ID 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 31
49. RORY REILEY HALEIWA, HI 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 895
50. RUBEN YBARRA PHOENIX, AZ 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 139
51. SCOTT LINDLEY SAN MARCOS, CA 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 99
52. SHANE VAUGHN HUMBOLT, TN 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 33/
53. STEVE KLUGA MERRILLVILLE, IN 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 89
54. STEVE EDWARDS THOUSAND OAKS, CA 17-1. Senior 45+ SUZ 401
55. STUART MC AVOY MANDEVILLE, LA 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 56
56. TERRY L BIDLACK OAKWOOD, OH 17-1. Senior 45+ HON 565
57. TERRY JOELL TALLAHASEE, FL 17-1. Senior 45+ KAW 14
58. VAUGHN L SMITH FENTON, MI 17-1. Senior 45+ SUZ 127

 

[Double D]

Sharc must have some good pain killers going because he sent me a text wishing me good luck at ironman. Lol

Why not go? Anyone with a bike qualifies for the qulifier to qualify.
Even if you do not have a bike but have money......you qualify to qualify to qualify.

3.....2......1.....Georgie????

 

[Double D]

1. AMOS CARTER ENKA, NC 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 42
2. ANDY KOOISTRA CHICAGO, IL 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 35
3. BART A NEWMAN BATTLE CREEK, MI 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 13
4. BOB MORALES ALISO VIEJO, CA 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 278
5. CHAD FELICIO ORANGEVALE, CA 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 54
6. CHUCK I VANKEUREN FOWLERVILLE, MI 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 751
7. DAVID KIRK OWENSBORO, KY 17-2. Masters 50+ KTM 991
8. ED PERRY CHATTANOOGA, TN 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 187
9. GLENN KORN COTTAGE GROVE, WI 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 922
10. GREGORY MADDUX NEW RICHMOND, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ SUZ 34
11. JACK LAMBERT LEES SUMMIT, MO 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 53
12. JEFFREY STALLINGS VISALIA, CA 17-2. Masters 50+ OTH 212
13. JIM PERSINGER MARION, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ KTM 11
14. JOE DAY HARRISON, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 29
15. JOEL CREED FRANKLIN, IN 17-2. Masters 50+ KTM 291
16. KIRK LORENCE GREEN CITY, MO 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 2
17. MARC BAUMANN HINCKLEY, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ SUZ 2
18. MARK BRADY LEBANON, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 900
19. MARK S COOK JACKSON, MI 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 177
20. MARK A GUY BOWLING GREEN, KY 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 19
21. MARK SHAFER WESTERVILLE, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 62
22. MARK SWEENEY PLAINFIELD, IN 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 288
23. MICHAEL CAREY WORTH, IL 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 29
24. MIKE BLANFORD BEAVERCREEK, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 510
25. NEWT MOORE HENDERSONVILLE, TN 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 48/
26. PETE ANDREWS ELIZABETHTOWN, KY 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 512
27. PHILLIP OVELAND KAMUELA, HI 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 38
28. RANDY HUTCHINGS CRESTWOOD, KY 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 33
29. RICHARD CUSTARD FINDLAY, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 73
30. RICK BARRETT CLARENDON, PA 17-2. Masters 50+ SUZ 278
31. RON HEPPNER HASTINGS, MN 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 44
32. RORY REILEY HALEIWA, HI 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 895
33. RUSSELL JOHNSON WAYLAND, MI 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 42
34. SHAY FISHER EATON RAPIDS, MI 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 11
35. STEVE FREDERICKS CUMBERLAND CITY, TN 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 47
36. STEVE KLUGA MERRILLVILLE, IN 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 89
37. STEVE THOMAS CADIZ, KY 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 130
38. STEVE WILMINGTON AKRON, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 21w
39. STUART MC AVOY MANDEVILLE, LA 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 56
40. TERRY L BIDLACK OAKWOOD, OH 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 565
41. TERRY GREEN COWEN, WV 17-2. Masters 50+ YAM 35
42. TERRY JOELL TALLAHASEE, FL 17-2. Masters 50+ KAW 14
43. VAUGHN L SMITH FENTON, MI 17-2. Masters 50+ SUZ 127
44. WILLIAM J ZIESK STREAMWOOD, IL 17-2. Masters 50+ HON 24

 

[RocketRobin]

As an old guy, even I'm surprised that my 3 classes have well over the 42 rider gate…… 58 in the +45 class? 56 in +40, and lucky #69 entries in Vet B/C.. I guess I'll get some full gates in!!!! Better practice some starts tonight!

 

[John250]

Always amazes me the guys on the list for the regionals. Some live very close to me, and I never have either heard of them, or have only seen the name at local races once or twice maybe. So I guess the moral of the story is, a lot of the guys racing regionals are not supporting the local tracks.

 

[Double D]

1644 bikes going to do 3 motos.

That is a few. Many names are in there 2 or three times but still..thats a lot of knobbies.

 

[C Hudak]

If you win a class at Loretta's how many times do you get to defend your title???? Just asking.

 

[Scoob]

As an old guy, even I'm surprised that my 3 classes have well over the 42 rider gate…… 58 in the +45 class? 56 in +40, and lucky #69 entries in Vet B/C.. I guess I'll get some full gates in!!!! Better practice some starts tonight!

Yeah, looks like fun. I'm in there somewhere next year. I better start planning and training starting now. Good luck to all of ya's! Can't imagine traveling from HI, CA, and NV to race in our region. Is there an HI region? I want to race that one next year!

 

[GeorgiePorgie]

A class as many times as you want.


C class: never.


As far as me being in for ironman. Well I've had a family issue come up with my grandmother advancing to hospice. Not sure if I want to risk being 13 hours away if she goes peacefully.
No need for prayers sent etc, she is 91 and has truly lived a blessed life. Alzheimer's is cruel and is never certain when deciding the last moments. I'm still play it by ear. And te rest of my family is telling me that she knew how important racing was to me and would want me to race.

If I were to be competitive I'd imagine I wouldn't second guess going. But realistically I was going for a good time and I'm not certain I could enjoy myself knowing the condition she is in.

 

[GeorgiePorgie]

Is there an easier way to tell how many gates were filled for junior 25+ ? Other than counting down the line ? Did double d go through each rider and copy/paste his own class list to pitracer?

 

[Scoob]

 

[BriarcliffMx]

Good luck to CBev and Andy Niles, a couple of BC regulars.

 

[Double D]

Is there an easier way to tell how many gates were filled for junior 25+ ? Other than counting down the line ? Did double d go through each rider and copy/paste his own class list to pitracer?

I copied the list pasted in excellent and sorted.

I think there were only 7 in the plus 25.

 

[Double D]

Yeah, looks like fun. I'm in there somewhere next year. I better start planning and training starting now. Good luck to all of ya's! Can't imagine traveling from HI, CA, and NV to race in our region. Is there an HI region? I want to race that one next year!

If you win this region you have a chance at the title..

The winners will come out of ironman or MC..